The Larger Scorebook

Bethany Heck
01.31.12
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I am moving forward with plans for a larger scorebook! The plan is for it to be spiral/ring bound, fit 100 games, and be about the height and width of an ipad or a larger moleskin (7.5×9.75 inches). I’d love for you guys to take a look at what I’ve got mapped out and critique it. I know a lot of people wanted more innings, an RBI column, more sub spots and more pitcher stats, so those are included as well as spaces to jot down the umpires. The grid itself is larger as well. Do you guys prefer the diamond graphic inside each square to be big or small? Would you guys want to see the foldout references for scorekeeping included in this, or should it be straight to the point, no frills?

Once I get the design nailed down and send off the printing specs to the printer, I have to get a feel for demand so I know how many to print. Thank you guys for everything, you’re the best people I could ever hope to interact with and I’m so grateful that baseball has brought us all together.


31 Comments on “The Larger Scorebook”

  • Mark

    Design looks great with the changes you mentioned (RBI, subs, pitcher stats all welcome additions). Diamond size could probably be a bit smaller — I liked the size in the original — but I love the little circle in the boxes.

    I liked the foldout from your first book (mostly for the nifty design, not because I needed the instruction), but since this one is a little bigger, maybe that content (and any necessary revisions due to the minor changes) could go in a 2-page spread in the beginning of the book? I could go either way on that.

    My only other suggested change would be a “dome” added to the weather icons for those watching games at the Trop (like me) or retractable roof parks with the roof closed on game day.

    Top priority for me would be for this to be ready for Opening Day! Count me down for one and keep up the great work.

    01-31-12 » 10:20 pm »

  • Tom

    I agree with everything Mark wrote (above). I would like the instructionals, and I think making them a part of the book instead of a pullout is a good idea. Hate to say it, but a dome icon is also a good idea. I’ll definitely buy one or two.

    01-31-12 » 10:36 pm »

  • Tom Bridge

    I would really love to see a set of pitch boxes if possible, and I’d trade an extra inning to get it if necessary :)

    01-31-12 » 10:52 pm »

  • Bethany Heck

    Thanks for the input, guys! I might can work in pitch boxes with the reduced diamond size, and I think reformatting the how to section is a good thought as well.

    02-01-12 » 8:52 am »

  • Zach

    The only thing I miss is the home mvp / road mvp section. I don’t know if you could squeeze that in somewhere, but it’d be nice.

    02-01-12 » 3:56 pm »

  • Dave Petty

    I would like to see the diamonds a little smaller, not too much though (I know picky, picky) and this might just be a thing with me but I never really cared for each team facing opposite each other, I prefer flipping up and down as opposed to sideways if you know what I mean. Thanks.

    02-01-12 » 8:33 pm »

  • Chris

    I like the design and I agree with Tom on the pitch boxes. Count me in for 2!

    02-02-12 » 8:42 am »

  • T. Savage

    I would like to see the pitch boxes and would order 2 immediately.

    02-02-12 » 8:56 am »

  • Kevin Cox

    Sweet! Put me down for a boatload! I know a group of people that love to get together and compare notes after games.

    02-02-12 » 10:03 am »

  • Purple Rox

    Being an engineer and all I like when things balance and every score card should balance at the end of the night.

    AB+BB+HBP+SAC+SF = R+LOB+Outs

    http://squaretender.com/world-series-scorecard-proven-balanced/

    02-02-12 » 11:40 am »

  • Jimmy Mike

    Woot! Count me in for several. Nice work.

    02-02-12 » 1:28 pm »

  • Baseball Oogie

    Umpires lines and extra space for substitutions are quite welcome. I have no real opinion on big or small diamond, though I’m not a fan of the small circle. I think pitch boxes could be great, if they fit. And count me in for missing the Home and Away MVP.

    I’ll definitely grab one. I finally filled up my Scoremaster in Japan last year and need a book for Korea this year.

    02-02-12 » 3:25 pm »

  • Russ

    I find I don’t like the diamond in the box at all. If necessary, then smaller.

    One thing I found clever years ago was the line totals after inning 12 (in your case) served double-duty as extra innings – the columns were half-sized so for example the AB and R columns could be inning 13 if need be, H and BB = inning 14, etc. So if you needed to reduce the number of extra inning columns to accommodate Purple Rox’s comment that might be one way to do it. (The alternate lines would have to be light instead of dark, and this usage could be a suggestion in the “instructional” section to avoid a cluttered look. Because someone may just prefer to use a second sheet for extra innings anyway.)

    When I designed my own sheet years ago, what I did was print “inning #1″ and left the other innings unnumbered so that those 10+ batter innings didn’t require scratching out all the remaining pre-printed inning #’s and writing in the correct inning. Maybe left-justifying the inning numbers isn’t a bad idea, all other scorecards have the inning # centered and then scratching them out means you gotta put the new number to the left or right. Maybe just move them to the left a little rather than all the way.

    I generally find pitch counts only useful for the starters, so an unobtrusive box within the inning number is usually what I do, I don’t like it at the bottom of the inning because it clashes with R/H. Perhaps another reason to move the inning numbers a little to the left.

    I think the number of games you plan on having in it is THE NUMBER ONE selling point, boy do I hate those books with only 25 games in ‘em at most.

    02-02-12 » 6:55 pm »

  • Russ

    Oh, and I HATE pitch boxes for the same reason I HATE the diamond – it forces a scoring style. I count pitches per at bat including the foul balls. So I’ve had to do 10-strike counts on batters – pre-printed boxes aren’t enough room for the strikes AND the balls and strikes are almost always together which makes them hard to read.

    I just put balls at the top starting at the left and working to the right (you’re only going to have 3 at most so you almost always have room for noting plays around second base. The strikes & fouls start at the bottom left and work their way up, after 5 or 6 strikes I start a second column; plays around third base are uncommon so this usually causes no interference in that area of the box. This works much much better without pre-printed boxes for pitches.

    When I designed my own card years ago I made the boxes rectangles instead of squares so I had a little more room for this. Imagine another 5mm on the left side of each box (the diamond would be right-justified a little) and you gain an amazing amount of writing space. You might lose one extra inning but I think the space gained is worth it.

    02-02-12 » 7:12 pm »

  • Russ

    still more comments…

    Orient the 2 grids in the same direction. I expect an “open book” to be the typical way a “game” would look. This results in the first and last page being “open” for things like instructions, autographs, Eephus League info, etc.

    With the spiral concept, it might be cool to stick a “graphic” page at the beginning or end – you’ve had such cool ideas for your typesetting collection that you could either do a “series” of neat lithos of some kind (collect ‘em all!) or perhaps add a “personalized” sheet of graphics for an upcharge (that might depend on how the spiral binding is done). If you’re still thinking of the magazine idea, maybe have a flap in the back to stick a sample copy of the mag.

    02-02-12 » 7:23 pm »

  • Abby Rosario

    I have the smaller size for away games. I was looking for a score book with 100 pgs, but smaller than the usual size. This sounds just like what I was looking for. Count me in.

    02-05-12 » 12:48 pm »

  • Abby Rosario

    I meant to say “live” games, not away games. I want the bigger book for games I score at home.

    02-05-12 » 12:51 pm »

  • David

    I think this is a great idea and would love to buy one if and when that becomes possible. I have the small scorebook and feel this would be great to have along with that. Can’t wait to see when this new book comes out

    02-07-12 » 10:35 pm »

  • Brian

    I’d definitely be interested!

    02-08-12 » 10:59 pm »

  • JC

    I’m interested!

    02-13-12 » 12:12 pm »

  • nick6ten

    Love the larger book! Count me in for one. Any idea on production turn around?

    02-14-12 » 8:52 pm »

  • Bethany Heck

    It should be 2-3 weeks production time, but unfortunately all the printers I have been in touch with have been dragging their feet. I’ve yet to get a realistic quote in terms of price.

    02-14-12 » 8:57 pm »

  • Andy

    I hate the idea of pitch boxes… I was using a scoresheet that had them and they just get in the way. Keep the diamond pattern only, nice and simple!

    02-15-12 » 11:34 am »

  • Mike

    Here’s my 2¢:
    –No to pitch boxes and the little circle.
    –Yes to RBI column and MVPs.
    –I think that I’m in the “orient the cards in the same direction” camp. I realized that I am much more of a “flip it over the top” than “flip it left to right” kind of guy.
    –I like the idea mentioned above about having the great “how to score” graphics on a two-page spread.
    –If cost were an issue, then maybe drop it to 50 games…still a good-sized scorebook.
    –On the pitchers lines, (small quibble here) can the order of the columns match the box scores in the morning paper?

    All those comments aside, it looks great and sounds like a good size, too. Ah, the beauty of well-made scorebooks! Well done once more, Bethany!

    02-16-12 » 10:52 pm »

  • Amelie

    I absolutely want one. Or two.

    02-21-12 » 11:23 am »

  • Maurice

    I am looking for a smaller scorebook (roughly 9×7) to do softball games. Need spots for 11 hitters per team.

    02-27-12 » 11:00 am »

  • Jaq Baldwin

    I was about to buy my 2012 edition but I’d like to get the larger book. Any word on when it will be available? I’d love one!

    03-08-12 » 11:46 am »

  • Bethany Heck

    Hey Jaq, it’s going to be awhile for the larger books. I have to figure out a few more productions problems and get the kickstarter campaign ready, so if you want a larger scorebook, hold off. When the larger scorebook gets made it’ll initially be order-able through kickstarter, then it will have it’s own page on the site.

    03-08-12 » 11:51 am »

  • Jacob

    I would definitely be interested in the larger book. Just make sure there is enough room to write stuff like RBI and SAC. Also I do like the diamond being included.

    03-18-12 » 2:11 pm »

  • ethan

    Don’t know what your progress is on the larger scorebooks. Perhaps i’m late to the party… if you’re still taking comments, here’s mine: my understanding of your scorebook is to provide both novice and junkie with a simplified scorecard; a back to basics approach. it seems most of the comments are asking for features that would complicate the scoring process. For example, people want pitch count boxes. For those that don’t track pitches, the boxes take up valuable space for other markings which may be relevant to a scorecard, such as 1B, SB, WP, which may be written at all corners of the diamond. For those that do track pitches, you can track them without boxes. for example, i place small markings in designated areas to indicate balls, strikes, and foul balls (when i’m in my hardcore mode). Nobody needs boxes for that. Plus, if you’re really keeping the count, you’d have to go outside the box to score the two-strike foul balls anyways, making the boxes generally useless.

    Also, one thing I always find missing from almost every scorebook I’ve ever seen is a simplified final box score. At any stadium, you’re going to see a scoreboard that has 2 rows and (at least) 9 columns, to write each team’s individual inning score. And of course, 3 columns indicating Runs, Hits, and Errors for the game. Yes, your larger scorebook has final game tallies including runs and hits, but only between total at bats and BB, LOB and RBI. 10 years from now when I look at an old scorecard, I won’t care how many at bats the dodgers had, or how many rbi’s. I would look for the “R-H-E” box score. just my opinion.

    finally, when i score, I write more outside the diamond than inside. Plus, when a run scores, it pretty much negates anything written in the box. I think most people would score a base hit by writing 1B outside the line between home and first. The only thing I mark inside the diamond are put outs (e.g. K, 5-4-3, 3U, F8, etc…). And if the diamond is too small to indicate a 5-4-3 double play, it can always be written outside the diamond, since a put out will yield empty space outside the diamond (except for balls and strikes). More space outside than in makes the most sense.

    FYI, I just purchased your 2-book bundle as a gift for a friend just learning to keep score. i love your style but the small size is too taxing for my shrek-like hands and third grade level handwriting. I would buy 2 large books each season, because they’re well designed, and a lot classier than my self-made microsoft word scoresheet bound at my local kinkos.

    08-28-12 » 12:52 am »

  • Peter Schilling Jr.

    When will this larger scorecard become available? I’d love to have one–the others are a bit too small for me (but perfect for the kids in my life.)

    One suggestion: make the back out of hard cardboard.

    12-11-12 » 11:32 am »



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